honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 6:06:48 AM
Kar: otoh, it highlights the problems such pipelines inherently bring with them.
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honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 6:06:11 AM
Enbridge now, TransCanada next time. And no one will pay for the cleanup but the US taxpayers.
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KAR120CSII

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Oregon
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 4:57:37 PM
Not a great endorsement for Enbridge being the alternative to Keystone is it? Or for building a pipeline to Kititat?
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sparky808

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Honolulu
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 1:27:08 PM
Thank you for posting.
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tomok

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Portland
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 3:30:30 AM
A two year old oil spill and still cleaning the spill? Need to move much faster in the cleanup efforts! Better controls, sensors, procedures and safeguards needed so human error does not interpret current conditions incorrectly. Use the best materials possible, with the best workmanship obtainable. No more oil or fuel spills into waterways or on land surfaces, protect the pipeline and the area at all costs. Regular on site safety and condition inspections required for the pipeline operation. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost, if possible. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
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LetemEatCake

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 2:20:12 AM
This is a 2 year old spill in the Kalamazoo River. It has yet not been cleaned up.
You gotta ask yourself....HOW long it it gonna take? Imagine if this spill had happened in Nebraska with the proposed Keystone Pipeline. What condition would the Ogallala aquifer used for irrigation and drinking water in several States be after 2 years.
Mustache 33 has a good idea!
[Edited by: LetemEatCake at 6/5/2012 2:22:34 AM EST]
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pgerassi

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 12:16:00 AM
Most pipeline operators do know the difference. Its the few without real experience that interpret it incorrectly.
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GLCSHADOW

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Oregon
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 12:07:09 AM
They should come up with something so they know the difference between a leak and low pump presure.
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crazycow2332

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Nashville
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:58:34 PM
ok
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USAv8tor

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Long Island
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:58:05 PM
There was another oil spill?! It's the first I'm hearing about it.
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preacherjohn

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Modesto
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:57:51 PM
sounds like they weren't ready for this to happen.
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Goody2317

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Wilmington
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:55:42 PM
Even with the best preventative measures, spills will happen.
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TFowler513

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Memphis
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:51:28 PM
Safety overhaul in addition to the proliferation of alternatives!!!
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ty58

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Akron
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:45:16 PM
who pays for the clean up....
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gd83goldwinger

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South Bend
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:44:54 PM
They always need to pay for there mistakes and need better safety programs.
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bonzoonfmb

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Florida
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:41:05 PM
They should be paying for everything.
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mrbee

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Little Rock
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:39:22 PM
Clean it up.
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wz

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:38:30 PM
Despite all their procedures and regulations, they are essentially not followed and nobody is held responsible. The shift supervisor who failed to identify the loss of pressure as a leak should be fired (or at least placed on permanent probation), but the local law enforcement or 911 dispatchers share in the blame by not notifying Enbridge of the leak.
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bif65

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:38:21 PM
ok
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knot2swift

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Calgary
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:37:10 PM
Yup. Guilty Enbridge is of buying up old rusty pipes from the US. I thought we in Canada were smarter.
I got 15 miles miles highway 2 up to Calgary freshly paved over the last 3 weeks. I wonder how many barrels of oil wash up when it rains big time tomorrow afternoon.
Being born with dry skin, I feel more than most.My skin burns more yet, if you all die from unseen toxins giving you cancer, I won't care. You are all "Sheeple" herded by the media into a certain why of thinking.
[Edited by: knot2swift at 6/4/2012 11:44:39 PM EST]
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danreino

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:36:57 PM
Sounds like Enbridge needs to pull its head out of its....
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Ahking

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:35:20 PM
yup!
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dchiou

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San Jose
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:33:47 PM
still cleaning!!!
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SparkieMi

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Kalamazoo
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:33:03 PM
It still is not totally cleaned up yet!!!!!!
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SpankyMI

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Kalamazoo
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:32:40 PM
Oil pipe lines should not run along side or cross water ways.
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Mustache_33

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:31:46 PM
part of the procedure should be... everytime something irresponsible like this that happens, year-end bonuses should be cancelled for the top 10 decision-maker executives,and use the money to repair the problem and part should be donated to Greenpeace, and in-part to the community emergency fund.
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CTarp

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Texas
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:29:50 PM
Just plain sloppy.
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jrsva

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:29:13 PM
“I thought Exxon Valdiz [sic] had done that.”
Lessons like that generally have to be relearned by each new generation.
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furiousfowl

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Riverside
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:28:25 PM
sounds like they're run by BP
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mstearno

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:27:54 PM
tax galore
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J4romeo

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Gary
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:21:08 PM
All the money they make, fix the problems b4 they come up!!
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justmedc

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:20:25 PM
wow! procedures will have to be changed
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blazerbob91

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:13:44 PM
Old pipline.
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serrog

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Nova Scotia
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:11:24 PM
I thought Exxon Valdiz had done that
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vwgtidude

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San Jose
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:08:34 PM
hmm
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Chris46

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:08:22 PM
"Double walled" pipe when in proximity to lakes and streams should be mandatory.
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abcdMA

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Worcester
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:06:19 PM
bad operating procedures
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96sc1

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El Paso
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 10:55:36 PM
Their operating procedures are abysmal
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ggordo

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Long Island
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 10:54:50 PM
they're run by BP
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iamforiu

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 10:50:00 PM
hmmm
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Fedorov91

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 10:46:54 PM
still much safer than trains or trucks
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petrpuck

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Hamilton
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 10:45:38 PM
I'll say.
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Rooster922

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Wilmington
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 10:41:51 PM
Yes
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Yankee829

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 10:41:35 PM
Ok
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IUVidiot

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 10:37:56 PM
hmmmm
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garyr86

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 10:36:17 PM
Keep the oil flowing but just clean up the mess. Mo method of transportation is perfect. Trains and cars get in accidents, ships sink, pipes burst etc
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GOBUTLER

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 10:32:28 PM
Interesting....
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CapNC

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 10:29:13 PM
dems doing all they can to demonize the Canadian pipeline
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suzmar

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Texas
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 10:28:55 PM
This seems to be a rare pipeline failure. The vast majority quietly operate without incident.
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sillywagon

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New York
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 10:27:13 PM
Is Enbridge paying for the clean up costs... fully? Mistakes must be learned from. Some people think that regulations have magic powers and can prevent fraud, accidents, and mistakes. Regulations didn't stop Bernie Maddof, nor BP's oil spill in the Gulf.
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